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From:Date:Zone:
Diane05-Jul-02 11:39 AM EST 2   
Sheri05-Jul-02 11:44 AM EST 5a   
JoanneS05-Jul-02 12:10 PM EST 3a   
glen05-Jul-02 01:06 PM EST 3a   
Diane07-Jul-02 02:25 PM EST 2   
alnoro08-Jul-02 08:52 AM EST 8   
Tricia13-Jul-02 09:43 PM EST 2b   
Linda15-Jul-02 12:50 AM EST 2b   
Diane16-Jul-02 10:07 AM EST 2   
Donald16-Jul-02 01:33 PM EST 1b   
Diane17-Jul-02 10:20 AM EST 2   
DAVE17-Jul-02 09:09 PM EST   
Linda22-Jul-02 12:56 AM EST 2b   


Subject: planting bulbs slightly out of zone-ok?
From: Diane
Zone: 2
Date: 05-Jul-02 11:39 AM EST

Hi! I am a new gardener and am setting up some new flower beds. I am on the edge of zone 2a and 2b but would like to plant some Lollypop lilies (zone 3) and windflowers (zone 3). Would this be a waste of $$? Is there some way I could protect them in winter so that they would grow? Your input is much appreciated!


Subject: RE: planting bulbs slightly out of zone-ok?
From: Sheri
Zone: 5a
Date: 05-Jul-02 11:44 AM EST

Some of the bulbs I plant have to be lifted every winter as the will not withstand our winters. Just take them up in the fall and replant after danger of frost in spring. Hope this helps.


Subject: RE: planting bulbs slightly out of zone-ok?
From: JoanneS (jstraayer@specialty.ab.ca)
Zone: 3a
Date: 05-Jul-02 12:10 PM EST

Diane, welcome to gardening. As gardeners, we often push the limits of our zone ratings. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It all depends on your particular micro climate in that particular area. I personally grow many things that are not supposed to be hardy to my zone. Some I protect, some I don't. I'd try the bulbs. Definitely protect them over the winter. If you have access to straw, that works really well for me. Flax is the best, but I use Rye or Wheat myself because that's what my relatives grow. Lay a few inches of straw over the beds in the fall, after the weather has started to freeze. Too early and you will have mice nesting. For some of my most tender rhododendrons (I have three varieties) I layer the protection. Snow first, layer of straw, more snow falls, then more straw, etc.

My favourite gardener is Lois Hole. She once told me, "Try it honey. It is doesn't work, well you didn't think it would anyway. If it works, well now, you look like an expert."


Subject: RE: planting bulbs slightly out of zone-ok?
From: glen
Zone: 3a
Date: 05-Jul-02 01:06 PM EST

I can't speak for the windflowers, but my mother lives in zone 2b and she has oriental lilies like stargazer happily growing in her yard. She doesn't winter protect them either, though the flower bed they are in often gets a good snowdrift over the winter due to wind from the river.


Subject: RE: planting bulbs slightly out of zone-ok?
From: Diane
Zone: 2
Date: 07-Jul-02 02:25 PM EST

Thanks so much for your hints. This is a bed that is quite exposed in the summer but in the winter it is piled high with snow from our driveway. Does that help? We live in a farming community so finding straw isn't going to be a challenge! :-) I do have some prairie lilies that have not been given any special treatment at all but these lollypop lilies seemed to be slightly more tender. I've seen people buy styrofoam "pots" to put over tender plants. If I stuffed them with straw do you think that would work? Or would it be no better than straw and snow? Thanks for the input!!!


Subject: RE: planting bulbs slightly out of zone-ok?
From: alnoro (alnoro@shaw.ca)
Zone: 8
Date: 08-Jul-02 08:52 AM EST

Hi from Zone 8. I hope you suceed wiht your lillies. Most of my garden is in Asiatic lillies and I so love them. Now down to business.Check with the outlet that you would be buying your Lillies from. If it is a local Reputable garden centre, they usually tend to sell plants that are safe to grow locally they are the best people to tell you how,when and where. If you do get them, I agree to plant them in a sheltered area where you have the most chance of pushing the zone. You might like to try planting them in the ground but,in pots that can be lifted in for the winter It may also be a good idea to use one or two as sacrificial lambs so to speak. Leave a couple outside in a protected bed and see if they make it over the winter. If you loose them you are only loosing a couple and not all of them. Unfortunately in gardening so very much is trial and error and $$$ but it will all be worth it when you look at a successful lilly planting and go out and smell the sweet fragrance that fills your garden.


Subject: RE: planting bulbs slightly out of zone-ok?
From: Tricia
Zone: 2b
Date: 13-Jul-02 09:43 PM EST

I live in Northern Alberta and grow a large variety of bulbs which shocks some people that they are growing and thriving here. Some of the bulbs that I have are listed for a zone 4 or 5 and they have been happy enough to multiply. Some are close to the house but some are in the middle of the back yard!If you are willing to mulch in the fall it might be all worthwhile!


Subject: RE: planting bulbs slightly out of zone-ok?
From: Linda
Zone: 2b
Date: 15-Jul-02 12:50 AM EST

Zone rating is just a guide. I was bumped up a zone when they changed the map.

As a zone 2b I have plants growing successfully in the yard that are rated 5. Some that are rated 2 die.

It is a matter of micr-climates.

One wholesaler from B.C. has been rating perennials for the zone he is shipping to. So don't believe everything you read.


Subject: RE: planting bulbs slightly out of zone-ok?
From: Diane
Zone: 2
Date: 16-Jul-02 10:07 AM EST

Wow! Thanks so much folks, especially Tricia and Linda in 2b. It's good to hear of successes with bulbs in my zone. I will go ahead and order these ones, mulch like crazy and enjoy next year! Appreciate your hints and encouragement!


Subject: RE: planting bulbs slightly out of zone-ok?
From: Donald
Zone: 1b
Date: 16-Jul-02 01:33 PM EST

hi, I live in a zone 1b area, and quite frankly I plant anything from zone 4 to zone 1! Most plants and bulbs survive with a minimum of fuss, snow is a wonderful insulator, but my trick is to use pine bark mulch to a depth of about 2", then pile the snow up. I have over 500 perranials in my garden, with about 150 varieties, it works! If it dies, well, it was worth it anyway!


Subject: RE: planting bulbs slightly out of zone-ok?
From: Diane
Zone: 2
Date: 17-Jul-02 10:20 AM EST

Thanks for the encouragement Donald. I feel fairly confident now after hearing from all of you that I can plant these bulbs and enjoy them year to year!


Subject: RE: planting bulbs slightly out of zone-ok?
From: DAVE
Zone:
Date: 17-Jul-02 09:09 PM EST

I've found not only are there significant differences between areas in your garden, you may go 2 or more years with mild conditions perfect for your out of zone plants. Then you get a killer winter that wipes out most of your out of zone plants. The irony is that last winter after what we thought was a very mild winter (southern Ontario) we were surprised to see all but one of our delphiniums were dead. Normally, the are hardy in our zone. It seems because of the warm weather, the delphiniums tried to start new growth on several ocassions. Then when a few normally cold days hit late in winter the plants had no snow cover and with the new growth depleting their energy, the delphiniums were unable to survive. So it appears not only cold but warm weather can give us challenges.


Subject: RE: planting bulbs slightly out of zone-ok?
From: Linda
Zone: 2b
Date: 22-Jul-02 12:56 AM EST

The sooner daffies are planted in the fall the better chance they have of surviving. They need to put down roots before the gound freezes


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