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Cats in the Vegetable Garden


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Stan Carlyle13-Mar-00 10:26 PM EST   
Charr14-Mar-00 10:17 AM EST   
DAN MACKINNON14-Mar-00 11:35 AM EST   
Stan Carlyle15-Mar-00 02:06 AM EST   
Shirley16-Mar-00 09:11 PM EST   
Wipa17-Mar-00 07:50 PM EST   
Phil Myre17-Mar-00 09:30 PM EST   
Carolyn18-Mar-00 12:12 PM EST   
Sharon22-Mar-00 10:19 AM EST   
wanda25-Mar-00 04:38 PM EST   
Carol26-Mar-00 06:52 AM EST   
Bcat29-Mar-00 11:19 PM EST   
Sam30-Mar-00 04:43 PM EST   
JOHNDB01-Apr-00 05:42 PM EST   
D.Tibert04-Apr-00 12:53 PM EST   
leh04-Apr-00 02:58 PM EST   
Carolyn04-Apr-00 06:32 PM EST   
chris04-Apr-00 10:01 PM EST   
Terry04-Apr-00 10:42 PM EST   
Not a cat lover. But birds05-Apr-00 09:38 PM EST   
Olga07-Apr-00 05:11 PM EST   
Wendy10-Apr-00 04:21 PM EST   
Leslie17-Apr-00 09:51 AM EST   
Dick19-Apr-00 01:13 AM EST   
Carlos04-May-00 06:46 PM EST   
Carlos04-May-00 06:51 PM EST   
Margaret Marra04-May-00 07:03 PM EST   
Margie Campbell04-May-00 10:36 PM EST   
May Ip06-May-00 08:26 PM EST   
redpole08-May-00 02:45 PM EST   
cy08-May-00 09:31 PM EST   
Not a cat lover10-May-00 12:54 AM EST   
cat lover10-May-00 02:40 PM EST   
May Ip10-May-00 11:45 PM EST   
Joanne Straayer17-May-00 05:13 PM EST   
not a cat owner18-May-00 01:46 PM EST   
Chloe18-May-00 03:38 PM EST   
Jan18-May-00 08:15 PM EST   
Chloe19-May-00 07:24 AM EST   
Terry19-May-00 08:38 AM EST   
Jan19-May-00 04:46 PM EST   
Carlos19-May-00 09:16 PM EST   
Ruth23-May-00 02:53 AM EST   
grrlcop23-May-00 05:10 PM EST   
MAD GARDENER23-May-00 07:09 PM EST   
chloe23-May-00 07:50 PM EST   
Smiley25-May-00 09:58 PM EST   
not a cat lover25-May-00 11:30 PM EST   
Janet26-May-00 01:30 PM EST   
Linda26-May-00 11:33 PM EST   
Kat S.27-May-00 10:08 AM EST   
Kerry27-May-00 04:49 PM EST   
Joanne29-May-00 02:14 PM EST   
H.H.Gardener31-May-00 03:22 PM EST   
Tammy31-May-00 03:34 PM EST   
Bird lover28-Jan-01 06:32 PM EST   
Odette29-Jan-01 05:44 PM EST   
A Cat Lover29-Jan-01 10:10 PM EST   
29-Jan-01 10:31 PM EST   
A Cat Lover30-Jan-01 02:17 AM EST   
Paul B13-May-01 04:11 PM EST 8b   
Joanne13-May-01 07:52 PM EST 5a   
Debbie13-May-01 08:05 PM EST 7   
Connie13-May-01 08:38 PM EST   
Pamela13-May-01 11:31 PM EST   
Arne14-May-01 02:17 AM EST 8   


Subject: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Stan Carlyle
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Date: 13-Mar-00 10:26 PM EST

I have cats using my vegetable garden for their bathroom!!!. Do I have t abandon Vegetable Gardening? Is there any way that I can kill the parasites that might be in their stool? (Diazanon?) Would I be alright with anything but root vegetables?

Thanks


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Charr
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Date: 14-Mar-00 10:17 AM EST

These are some ideas I have used. For a new area you can lay down chicken fence, the cats can not dig, in fact they hate it. Also sticks all close together make it so they do not have room. Also some cats do not like citrus so peelings can keep them out.I would not feel comfortable using anything I would just remove the poop.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: DAN MACKINNON
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Date: 14-Mar-00 11:35 AM EST

Do you have wildroses? The cats cant stand to walk on these, I spread all my pruning around, and just till in the fall. Repeat every spring....works like a charm!


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Stan Carlyle
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Date: 15-Mar-00 02:06 AM EST

You seem to miss the point of my question. It was not how to keep cats out of the garden but WHAT CAN I DO WITH THE SOIL ONCE I HAVE CATS IN THE GARDEN. IS THE SOIL SAFE TO USE, DO I HAVE TO THROW IT AWAY AND START OVER, CAN I GROW ABOVE GROUND CROPS AND NOT WORRY ABOUT DISEASES, IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN USE ON THE SOIL TO KILL ANY PARASITES OR DISEASES THAT THE CATS HAVE LEFT?

Thank You


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Shirley
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Date: 16-Mar-00 09:11 PM EST

"Please" and "thank you" is still a very important part of any interpersonal communication...especially when you are asking for help. "Lord of the Manor speaking to the great unwashed" attitude doesn't quite get you there.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Wipa
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Date: 17-Mar-00 07:50 PM EST

When my cat uses my flower bed for her bathroom, I scoop the dirt with a shovel and throw it away. I also scoop a generous amount of dirt around the under the feces and put new dirt in, then cover the area with chicken wire. She has not gone back the area. I guess it wouldn't hurt to use diazinon once you throw the poop out. Good luck.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Phil Myre
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Date: 17-Mar-00 09:30 PM EST

Hi all, what a delightful return from Shirley to Stan. As we are all perfect and absolute mind readers.Sojust because you get people trying to help you and you come back with that attitude you show no respect I am 60 years old and as a young boy was taught maners you must give thanks for whatever help you get and as friends in gardenig we are to help if we can and the silly part of this is that it is free.I believe you owe an apology to all who read this fine and helpful, I can garden .com I remain respecfully, Phil Myre


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Carolyn
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Date: 18-Mar-00 12:12 PM EST

Hi Stan, My cat too poops pre-season in our veggie garden. When I'm ready to work the plot, I simply remove the poop and work in my amendments like peatmoss and manure. I've never been concerned about parasites from the feces; adding Diazanon seems a little extreme to me. I figure I haven't been harmed yet by any possible poop-remnants and anyway, growing my own veggies in this kind of soil has got to be better than buying them from a grower in another country who uses harmful chemicals and questionable fertilizers. Oh, and after the garden's planted, I fence it in with chicken-wire so mine and neighbors cats can poop no more!


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Sharon
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Date: 22-Mar-00 10:19 AM EST

Gotta agree with Carolyn. Just scoop out the poop and dig in some good amendments. I personally wouldn't let diazinon in my garden, scary stuff that. I have never heard it recommenden for use against parasites like that anyways. Keeping the soil moist after planting usually discourages the cats from coming back.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: wanda
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Date: 25-Mar-00 04:38 PM EST

Put moth balls around all your beds and they will stay away, about 1 moth ball every foot, you cannot smell them, it works great. I have lots of cats in my area, I have been doing this for 3 years and I will do it this year


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Carol
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Date: 26-Mar-00 06:52 AM EST

Hi all...cats have invaded our neighbourhood and love my yard All winter they harbour, sleep and of course poop and dig. I sprinkle hot pepper seeds in areas that I lknow they will do damage over the winter and use the moth ball trick as well. The stoop and scoop is necessary but I still use my vegetable garden as such and as with all produce wash well before using. Although I am as sorry for you folks as for myself having this problem it is good to know that I am not alone. The cats have been known to take up sleeping space in our basement window wells and around the perimeter of our above ground pool. It is nasty cleanup in the spring. Bye for now and thanks for all the help I have been given on different subjects.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Bcat
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Date: 29-Mar-00 11:19 PM EST

Stan, to be purrrfectly honest, I'd rather eat veggies grown in soil with cat scat than veggies grown in diazanon drenched soil! Give your head a shake! Save the worms, stoop n scoop.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Sam
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Date: 30-Mar-00 04:43 PM EST

You go grrrlfriend!!! Bcat's right Stan--rethink your pesticide use, boyfriend!


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: JOHNDB
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Date: 01-Apr-00 05:42 PM EST

Think about it Stan, You spend money putting cow manure in, but are scared of a little cat poop?


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: D.Tibert
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Date: 04-Apr-00 12:53 PM EST

I thought, I would get my two cents in on this lively discussion. I am not a cat lover, but seem to be visited by many of four-legged beast. They not only poop in the garden, but dig up the mulch, drag in dead animals (including skunk roadkill) and prey on the baby birds in the nest. Cats are more of a pest than any bug I found in my soil. I think there should be a roaming ban on them, just like dogs. The city of Halifax is considering the idea. I think it would be great. Cat owners should take warning. If they allow their cats to run free, they could be exposing them to deadly chemicals like undried diazinon and slug bait.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: leh
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Date: 04-Apr-00 02:58 PM EST

Thought I'd add my two bits to this cat fun. Can can carry diseases etc that can be passed onto humans and just for that reason alone I try to keep them for doing "their thing" in my yard. I have used many of the ideas others have listed (i.e. using wire, moth balls etc.) but the most effective has been a super soaker water gun. When I spy a cat in my gardens I pump up the gun and give them a blast of water. It works.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Carolyn
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Date: 04-Apr-00 06:32 PM EST

Wow! This cat discussion has taken some strange turns.

Regarding cat diseases that can be transmitted through their excrement; I'm not a Vet but I'm only aware of some disease or parasite that minimally affects pregnant women who regularly clean out the cat box. From everything I've heard about this(and it's not a lot)instances of this are very rare.

NOw, I'm not saying cat poop is disease free but it can't be too harmful. Hell, my cats' breath is probably more harmful. You wouldn't want to be cornered by him in an alley and have him breathe on you!

You wouldn't likely encounter him in an alley though; he only goes out in our yard on a leash and I supervise him carefully. I agree with a roaming ban. There are way too many cats wreaking havoc in yards and gardens everywhere!


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: chris
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Date: 04-Apr-00 10:01 PM EST

How to stop cats *pooping* (how quaint) in your vegetable garden? a) keep it covered (no empty space to dig in) b) grow chili peepers (they love them) c) be there - nothing discourages a cat more than an audience. our live-in even waits til after i go to work (and she is a street cat)

and smile :) you could be infested with dogs (much bigger holes)

chris

ps how do i keep other gardeners out of my jardin communitaire? they do not *poop* but they make a real mess.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Terry
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Date: 04-Apr-00 10:42 PM EST

Perhaps it's time to get an informed answer on whether soil with cat scat is safe for fruits and vegies. Any vets out there? How 'bout putting all that scat in the compost - good manure? Is dog poop safe in the compost?


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Not a cat lover. But birds
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Date: 05-Apr-00 09:38 PM EST

I have just found this page and now I have found others who have the same problem with cat's. Most of you have not mentioned how many cat's in their garden's. I have at least l3 cat's around my area and not one of them are mine. They all seem to love my garden for their duty and I just hate it. It would be wonderful to find a really good way to keep them out. I think I will try the water gun if I spot them. Thank you


Subject: Rabbits in the Vegetable Garden
From: Olga
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Date: 07-Apr-00 05:11 PM EST

Rabbits have spent the winter in my flower beds and the summers eating my green beans right down to the ground, also my perennial carnations. Can I get rid of them with mothballs? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Wendy
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Date: 10-Apr-00 04:21 PM EST

Cat feces does carry diesease. Toxioplasmosis. This is why we pasturize our milk(same diesease) It can also be found in unpasturized juice and honey. It can cause blindness and sever complications to a pregnant mother.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Leslie
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Date: 17-Apr-00 09:51 AM EST

Wow what a discussion!! As a cat lover and mother of 3 (cleaned cat pan with each and never had a problem - Cleanliness is next to Godliness!! Wash, wash, wash!!) You don't know what was in your dirt to start with - unless you had it tested - could be worse than some cat poop. Your worried about what you will catch from cat poop, have you done any in-depth studies on what chemicals can do to a person.... and the planet? If it is to much trouble to "scoop it out", just go down to the local farmers market - gosh knows they need the support - and buy fresh veggies there..... but what if they have cats?! haha


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Dick
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Date: 19-Apr-00 01:13 AM EST

Living in rural Alberta, I have learned to view cats in the garden as a blessing. They keep down the mice population. Even with the help of the cats, during winters with high mouse populations, we sometimes loose many of our flowering shrubs and fruit trees to the mice. Diseases from mice can also kill humans.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Carlos
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Date: 04-May-00 06:46 PM EST


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Carlos
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Date: 04-May-00 06:51 PM EST

I heard that there is an outdoor plant that cats don't like. Does anyone know the name of it? Could you please tell me. I went to WhiteRose and they said there was, but they didn't have it and they couldn't remember the name.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Margaret Marra
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Date: 04-May-00 07:03 PM EST

Hi, I've heard the herb rue is repellent to cats. I've got several planted around my veg garden, although how effective they are I don't know. I just did my spring clean and found a whole bunch of poop, but it was far away from the rue plant. The jury is still out on this one...


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Margie Campbell
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Date: 04-May-00 10:36 PM EST

To Terry: I'm no vet, but I'm pretty sure that you should never put cat or dog feces in the compost. Too many potential parasites, etc. that can contaminate the compost (and the garden you sprinkle it on). Best to just put it in the garbage or bury it somewhere away from the beds.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: May Ip
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Date: 06-May-00 08:26 PM EST

I am just a beginner gardener, but a friend of mine who is a gardener by trade does compost dog faeces. She does not put it in the composter together with garden and kitchen remains though. She says that it takes much longer for dog waste to disintegrate. She dig a rather deep hole in her porpertyand dump them in it.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: redpole
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Date: 08-May-00 02:45 PM EST

I had the problem of cats once in a garden I started in a trailer court. The cats seemed to be mostly strays so I borrowed a live trap and trapped them. I caught 5 cats and turned them in to the SPCA . After that my problems were gone for that season. My neigbours congratulated me on my trapping success!


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: cy
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Date: 08-May-00 09:31 PM EST

Glad that my cat and I live in the country and the only person she can irritate is me. This topic certainly has generated a lot of discussion. Goutweed is lagging behind at 3:1.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Not a cat lover
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Date: 10-May-00 12:54 AM EST

Re: dog and cat poop in compost. No you shouldn't put this in your compost. Only use organic products in compost piles/bins and not meat or animal by products. Cats and dogs eat meat and animal fat. Also for those that say "just scoop it", why should I have to? I have 2 dogs and scoop the droppings they leave behind, in and outside of my yard. I am a responsible pet owner. I also pay license fees to keep these animals. It seems those in my neighborhood with cats just let their animals fun free for free and have everyone else clean up behind them. It's not fair to non cat owners.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: cat lover
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Date: 10-May-00 02:40 PM EST

Your right. People who love their cats don't let them roam free. Mine are inside or in their cat run (an enclosure where they can play outside)so that they don't get hit by cars or get attacked by dogs and raccoons or get sick from pesticides like slug bait. The bonus is that this also keeps my neighbours happy, and I'm not too keen on cleaning up after other peoples pets either.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: May Ip
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Date: 10-May-00 11:45 PM EST

Just one queston about composting dog and cat pooh. In Hong kong where I came from, China and some other Asian countries, human waste is used as fertilizer. Some people eat meet too. Does it mean that fertilizer made from human faeces is not good for plants?


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Joanne Straayer
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Date: 17-May-00 05:13 PM EST

I love this. All this from just one simple little question. I am also not a vet and know all about supposed diseases you can catch from cat feces. Really simple solution is to wash your hands after handling. There are so many ways to discourage cats from entering your garden that are not at all harmful to the cats. I agree with an earlier comment that the super soaker with water is the best. After getting soaked a time or two, that cat will not come back. Chicken wire is my second favourite. To trap and dispose of cats is incredibly thoughtless and mean, and truly, not a very neighbourly thing to do. Approaching the owners of the cats would probably have been a good start. I think it is also important to not forget that cats do have a very useful purpose in our neighbourhoods, especially here on the prairies where rodent populations can get out of hand very quickly. Rodents spread far more disease through their droppings than cats, i.e. hanta virus which is deadly to almost all who get it, unless caught immediately. Before you wish for no cats at all in your neighbourhood, ask yourself when was the last time you worried about contracting hanta virus when you entered your garage. If you have plenty of cats around, you won't have plenty of mice.

As for dead baby birds, I hear this all the time too. Watch the magpies in the spring. Maybe the cats are just capitalizing on magpie damage. We watch magpies every spring throwing baby robins out of nests. As we have a lot of children on our avenue, this causes great distress. We have learned to put the birds back using a golf-ball retriever, and extension ladder. The nests are on branches out of reach of most cats, and I'm sorry, I've seen mom and dad robin angry and a cat is no match for an angry robin.

Let's all lighten up about cats and learn to outsmart them, not hate them.

P.S. I too have cats using parts of my garden as a toilet and to be perfectly honest, I could care less if they poop in my soil or bask in the warm sunshine on my window box. Keep it wet, and they will stay away.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: not a cat owner
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Date: 18-May-00 01:46 PM EST

Cat owners seem to be de-sensitized to the problems. However, non cat owners have an aversion to feces and urine, would set out mice traps if we wanted to kill mice, and feel we shouldn't have work and expense because of cats. We don't hate cats, its not their fault. Lets stop before the site crashes


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Chloe
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Date: 18-May-00 03:38 PM EST

I was referred to this sight from someone in my garden club because I am having the same cat problem in my gardens. I am a cat owner, so I do not hate cats. However my cats are indoor animals. The many cats that live in my yard and barn are NOT my cats by choice, and I would have no problem taking them down to the humane society if I could catch them (may be buying some live traps this week). I don't think that would be cruel. The cruelty came in when someone decided to drop them off in the country where some mythical, kind-hearted farmer would just be thrilled to pay for their food and scoop their poop. Does anyone realize how quickly one or two strays turns into 20 cats roaming your yard? We started off feeding the animals dropped at our farm because we thought it was the kind thing to do. But now, 15 cats later, I see claw marks on my screens, trip over them when I try to get out my front door, and have to check the underside of my car each time I want to leave for the fear of watching as some helpless kitten lets go and gets smashed in the road right in front of my kids. Not good.

I will be trying the supersoaker and the chicken wire. Maybe even planting some rue (but don't do it near your basil...they don't like eachother) which, BTW, is also supposed to be a japanese beetle repellant. And, yes, cat feces IS unhealthy in your edible gardens...I have called my extension service to ask. It is NOT the same as cow manure as far as being beneficial.

Thanks for the amusing and informative posts! I realy enjoyed reading them :)

-Chloe


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Jan
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Date: 18-May-00 08:15 PM EST

I LOVE CATS!!! Send them all to my place!


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Chloe
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Date: 19-May-00 07:24 AM EST

Jan,

Give me your address and start watching for a realy big box ;)

-Chloe


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Terry
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Date: 19-May-00 08:38 AM EST

Love that - and start watching for a really big box! Meeeyyow.

Two Points. First from a composting web site at a US (untied skates) University. Dog and cat scat is not good in the compost bin because of parasites.

Second is the response from my Vet. No problem at all with dog and cat scat in the garden if the primary rule of cleanlyness is followed - 'wash/peal/cook before eating'. Roots and tubers are the only eatables where there is any concern at all, because of the physical contact with the scat.

Chloe, send me a large box too!


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Jan
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Date: 19-May-00 04:46 PM EST

Chloe --

Ok, I'll be watching for that box. Don't forget to include a litter box.

Jan


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Carlos
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Date: 19-May-00 09:16 PM EST

You're right on the money, Chloe. A garden center suggested I try marigolds. Anyone know if this works?


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Ruth
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Date: 23-May-00 02:53 AM EST

Attitude! Looks like it really is everything. But, cats will be cats. And gardeners will be gardeners. Tolerance? How about a little? Toward gardeners, the originator of this thread, neighbours, and - cats, darnit!

Harmony - now there's a word. Gardening is part of nature. Cats are part of nature. And nature is never perfect! (Nor am I!!)

Smile a little. Gripe a little. But, get over it! Yes, my neighbour's cat thinks my flower beds are his personal potty. I cringe. I fret. I take preventative measures. And when he comes around, I still stroke him till he purrs...

** As an active member of the SPCA, the most important thing to do with unwanted cats is not to just keep on feeding them, but to see that they are spayed or neutered. Let's be kind to the current generation, but prevent the next generation. In my city, it's working!**

So, "peace on earth" (including its soil) "and good will to all men" (and/or women and their beloved cats and/or gardens).

Just a thought... Oh, alright! Go ahead and send me a small box!!


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: grrlcop
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Date: 23-May-00 05:10 PM EST

I love the threads here! Just had to add my 2 cents worth. I was told sprinkling paprika (the spice) over the garden bed. The cats don't like the smell at all. I bought a large container at a bulk store and haven't had much of a problem since. Although I think I mught try the mothball approach for a more long term solution.

Great banter all!


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: MAD GARDENER
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Date: 23-May-00 07:09 PM EST

TOO ALL CAT OWNERS.KEEP YOUR DUMB ANIMALS INSIDE!!!!!!


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: chloe
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Date: 23-May-00 07:50 PM EST

Carlos,

I have done marigolds around my garden every year and every year I have watched my cats cross it LOL The good news is that I have NEVER had problems with rabbits or any other little creatures eating my veggies, where most of my neighbors DO. Could be the marigolds, could be the cats chasing them out, who knows! At any rate, even if it doesn't work it looks pretty, and it's worth a try for the rabbits at least :)

-Chloe


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Smiley
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Date: 25-May-00 09:58 PM EST

One little problem generated so many solutions to so many other problems. I just love it. Anyway, I was told not to put cat or dog feces in the composter because of the acidity and possible parasites. Makes sense. Stan the best thing to do is scoop out where the cat has been and replace with clean soil. That's what I do. I have a beautiful cat who lives indoors and out, and has an acre and a half to roam on. So no fear of traffic or other animals etc. With that much space, why does he have to visit my garden? If the cat pees in your garden, you will have to scoop the soil a little deeper because the urine is very acidic and actually kills plants. Once your veggies are growing, do like others have suggested: wash and peel. I have been growing tomatoes and peppers for years and have had no problems, other than bumper crops and how do you get rid of so much produce? I also put up a little wire hedge and it seems to work. Maybe my cat's too lazy to jump over it. I have heard that marigolds deter rabbits etc. Not sure about cats. Have also tried grapefruit rinds and this works. So Stan, for one little question, you got alot of answers to all the ones you didn't ask.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: not a cat lover
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Date: 25-May-00 11:30 PM EST

Will paprika and pepper work yet after a rain, or will it need to be resprinkled every time? My daughter has a problem with them, not me.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Janet
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Date: 26-May-00 01:30 PM EST

I've read with amusement (and some astonishment!) the comments on this subject. As a rural resident with 3 cats, I just keep a kitty litter box (cleaned regularly) in a woodshed they have access to. I suppose people who don't own or like cats wouldn't want to do this, but it does work for me. Now, I'd like a solution to my neighbour's dog using my planting boxes as a toilet! But that's another subject.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Linda
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Date: 26-May-00 11:33 PM EST

Oh I just can't resist! My 2 cats are using my rural garden as well, and I am currently putting up a chicken wire fence. Seemed like the sensible thing to do. Hopefully that'll take care of the deer and rabbits too! As far as roaming in town goes, my cats were leash trained and quite happy about it. I wasn't so impressed with the person who took the time to untie the leash and make off with my cat (found him tied up near a river) nor the German shepherd dog that decided my cats in my yard were fair game...did I mention they were declawed? Anyway Good Luck all in finding your own solution :)


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Kat S.
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Date: 27-May-00 10:08 AM EST

There seems to be many solutions to help us rid our garden of cats. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to rid the garden of Magpies? Every morning, including Saturdays and Sundays, apparently they do Not know the meaning of "weekend", they sit outside our bedroom window and screach at whatever passes by. Did I mention that it was the Magpies and the Crows that plucked the four baby robbins from the nest in our backyard and proceded to eat them on the garage roof next door.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Kerry
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Date: 27-May-00 04:49 PM EST

The world could use a few (million) more people like Ruth!!


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Joanne
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Date: 29-May-00 02:14 PM EST

In response to Kats, I've seen the magpies hurt the baby birds as well. A lot of times Kitty gets blamed for this, but as mentioned earlier, our block watches at this time of year for the destruction those nasty magpies create, and we try to get to the baby birds before the magpies finish them off, or kitty takes advantage of a helpless bird separated from its parents. The only thing we've ever found to deter the magpies is a sharp spray of water from the hose. Unfortunately, these birds are so incredibly clever, that they have learned to sit just outside of water range. You've got to admire their intelligence. Our municipality used to come out and remove nests, but due to budget cutbacks, no longer will do this. We were told to hire an exterminator on our own. However, we have learned to keep our garbage covered, tune out their noise and rescue the baby birds they throw out of nests.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: H.H.Gardener
Zone:
Date: 31-May-00 03:22 PM EST

Adding my two cents worth. Cat and dog feces is not good for any edible product due to the potential for disease tranmission. Never use the feces from a meat eating animal. The use of cut up Orange Peel and coffee grinds will help keep the cats at bay.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Tammy
Zone:
Date: 31-May-00 03:34 PM EST

Ruth and Kerry: You obviously don't live in the country where cats migrate and repopulate spontaneously. Perhaps if the SPCA or local humane society would sponsor free spaying & neutering or even take in animals free of charge, we could all afford to be kind. Ruth, you better make room for more than one small box.

Sorry Stan and others for getting off topic.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Bird lover
Zone:
Date: 28-Jan-01 06:32 PM EST

I just loved MAD GARDENER'S answer I second that. I should mention that Jan had better watch out with all the boxes that will be heading her way. I think I might get into making the boxes for gardeners to use for sending the cats on their way to Jan. It will give me a nice profit and a way to use my new saws. No I am not a male. There seems to be lots of ideas out there for the garden soil. I have tried most of them. But afraid not too much luck. I haven't tried the Irish Spring Soap, might give that a try. The thing is lots of the cats that visit my garden do not just stick to the soil. They even have the cheek to do it all over the lawn, hence when you are cutting the grass something else to watch for. Not only is it unpleasant I find that the Tom Cats really smell. I even have them in my garden at this time of the year when it is covered in snow, so they relieve themselves on anything they feel like. ugh. Please keep your animals in your own yard. But why are we writing this, how many cat lovers are going to be reading it. ?


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Odette
Zone:
Date: 29-Jan-01 05:44 PM EST

Note to bird lover: Irish Spring soap doesn't work, or at least not for very long. I tried it last summer and my garden was free from cats for less than a week. After that, they were all back. And I still had soap everywhere. I've given up and just spray them with the hose when I see them, but the cats have learned to stay out of the garden when I'm around. As soon as I've gone, they,re back. Oh, well. Live and let live.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: A Cat Lover
Zone:
Date: 29-Jan-01 10:10 PM EST

My cat, who was born in my living room in the cat carrier, loves to go out and garden with me. However, when it comes to going to the bathroom, he goes into the house and down the stairs where he uses his litter box. I have heard that putting used coffee grounds on the soil discourages both cats and dogs from digging. Also, I have found that thoroughly watering the garden every second day keeps both cats and dogs out of it.

I was interested in hearing about the magpies and baby birds as this was something I did not know. Once, my next door neighbor, who was expecting company for supper, put a roast just outside her kitchen window to thaw. About an hour later she looked out the window to see a magpie carrying away the main course for her meal that evening. Needless to say, she never put her meat outside to thaw again!


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From:
Zone:
Date: 29-Jan-01 10:31 PM EST

To Joanne Straayer: So to trap and dispose of cats is incredibly thoughtless and mean, and truly, not a very neighbourly thing to do. Approaching the owners of the cats would probably have been a good start! Well, Joanne, were I live we have a cat bylaw and yet everyone in the neighborhood lets their cats out in the morning as they head out to work. How neighborly is that? I feel sorry for that cats because they only do what comes natural. The owners on the other hand!!!! And when a cat owner says....it isn't natural to confine a cat...well dogs "naturally" travel in packs, but I sure don't let my dogs do that. I agree with Mad Gardener....be a responsible cat owner and keep your cats inside! If not, suffer the consquences. Why should Stan or anyone of us have to figure out what is safe or not if a cat decides to use our vegetable garden as it's bathroom.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: A Cat Lover
Zone:
Date: 30-Jan-01 02:17 AM EST

Cats are by nature nocturnal animals. Mine stays inside sleeping while I'm away at work during the day. When I arrive home after work, he wakes up and we do our gardening, etc. in the late afternoon and early evening. I guess you'd call him a people cat cause he just likes to go with me wherever I go.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Paul B
Zone: 8b
Date: 13-May-01 04:11 PM EST

My cat problem is not in the veggie garden but in a flower border along the front of my house. Needless to say, in the heat of summer I cannot open any windows without stinking out my entire house!! I do not own any cats, but many home owners let theirs out all day and one old renter two years ago didn't bother to get her cat spayed but also didn't want a litter of cats, so she left all the kittens outside to roam wild until somebody eventually caught most of them and took them to the SPCA. Yes, like it or not , there are MANY irresponsible pet owners out there. However, as for a solution to the poop problem, I've tried to patrol my yard but that is very impractical (what am I supposed to do? Live in my yard 24/7?) Cayenne pepper must be applied after every rainfall. I live in the Vancouver area and can't buy it by the truckload. And if keeping my border wet would keep them out, then I wouldn't have a problem. I guess cats on the "wetcoast" can't hold it in forever. I did try one thing that did work quite well, however. It is a motion sensitive sprinkler that sprays whenever something moves in the area that it is monitoring. But, alas, there is even a problem with this. My first one was broken by neighbourhood kids who found the whole thing quite amusing. So I bought another, which only lasted a week before it was stolen by someone who obviously thought they needed it more than I. Oh well, the search is on for another solution. I've heard that coyote urine is supposed to be effective, but I've had a real tough time catching a coyote....


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Joanne
Zone: 5a
Date: 13-May-01 07:52 PM EST

Very interesting discussion! I am a veterinarian, and here's my two cents worth: - cats may pass eggs of parasites that can infect humans. You must ingest the egg, so washing produce ensures that there is no transmission - There are no pathogens that would be taken up by the root system of the plant. - There are pros and cons to both indoor and outdoor cats. Indoor cats are safe from trauma, poisons, and many infections. Outdoor cats are usually more fit, agile, and mentally stimulated. Cats thatm eat prey have the best teeth and gums. - Cats prefer to eliminate in a loose, soil-like substrate. Cats often prefer to use the litter type they were raised with. Many cats that are outdoor will use an outdoor litter if provided, BUT it must be kept clean and dry and private. Using stones, chicken wire, or any mulch that is 'chunky' will make your garden less desirable. - After seeding, place squares of mesh ( plastic or metal ) over the area. Cats do not like to step on anything insecure. - Cats need space to maneuver, so keeping your garden crowded will discourage them. - Surprise motion detectors can be used to scare cats away. They can spray water or make a loud noise. - Do not use any hot pepper powder. The capsain is very irritating to the mouth, and eyes of all garden mammals and causes a lot of pain. For those of you wondering, I have 5 cats, on of which gets to go outside. He is my gardening buddy.


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Debbie
Zone: 7
Date: 13-May-01 08:05 PM EST

Two thoughts:

1. What ever happened to Stan? He hasn't been heard of since Thread #4. My hope is that he feels somewhat chastened by the reaction to his attitude.

2. Moth balls are NOT a good thing to use in your garden if children live nearby. Or you live on a lake. Mothballs can do dreadful damage to both!


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Connie
Zone:
Date: 13-May-01 08:38 PM EST

A friend of mine has a unique way of discouraging cats who wish to enter his garden. He blends onions and garlic in his blender, mixes them with water and uses this solution to water his garden. Personally, I'd prefer to use the onions and garlic in my cooking. However, if someone out there has far more onions and garlic than they will ever use this might be something they'd wish to try. Hope your gardening goes well this year! Connie


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Pamela
Zone:
Date: 13-May-01 11:31 PM EST

My neighbour, who is an excellent gardener, uses a garlic spray on alot of his plants as a natural pesticide. He mixes minced garlic with a bit of soap and water and spays this on any plant that looks like it might be infested. He also grows garlic "strategically". He plants the garlic near bug susceptible plants. He says that the smell of the garlic growing is like "white noise" to many undesirable insects and they stay away. We tried it last year by planting some of his garlic around our roses and didn't have any of the bug problems we had had the year before - come to think of it, we didn't have any cts digging around the roses either. Hmm... could there be a solution to two problems here?

Pamela


Subject: RE: Cats in the Vegetable Garden
From: Arne
Zone: 8
Date: 14-May-01 02:17 AM EST

POOP OR NOT TO POOP

Or in the immortal words of Garfield " ANY POOP IS GOOD POOP"

When the time is right Often late at night He slinks into the garden Under stars and moon He grunts til soon

His poop he has disposed

The feline is a noble breed He cannot stand the sight And so he covers up his job And slinks back into night

We toil and work our soil To make it grow just right Never knowing from day to day What was covered just last night

Our hands fly fast and true As we dig and fluff the soil We reach for clods of dirt to break And find it is not fair That damn cat has pooped every where....

Sorry but ya got to love the humor of it all...


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